Discussion: Rion Wolf Reinstatement Request

[rionwolf]

I never brought alcohol to the site/ honestly I was there intoxicated before and luckily Sam and Masar took me for a ride so I wasn't belligerent/ it was on Veterans Day I believe. And no my voice was not taken away/ but I was told that I was not welcome after a makeshift non-announced GA was formed one night with Stephanie and Daniel and maybe 6 others/ didn't seem like 30 people to me
and nobody could keep me from a public park but I chose not to hang out of my own free will/ but I do not appreciate that someone who is stealing from us and lying and pushing people away were welcome at GAs while I was not! I do alot for this movement and I don't need the credit but it hurts when people slander you and try and push you away for doing whats right... So my asking to be re-instated is primarily because I am very much a part of Occupy and don't want my name dragged through the mud to other occupiers who might not yet know me!

[rionwolf]

In Response to the Occupy neighborhoods I may have mentioned it but am not an official member of it/ I know some of the people involved and love what they are doing and planning for OUR futures..... I think you need to be invited by three members to even go to their meetings.

[Official Occupy Tulsa]

Dec 20, 2011 1:44:09 GMT -6 @rionwolf said:

I never brought alcohol to the site/ honestly I was there intoxicated before and luckily Sam and Masar took me for a ride so I wasn't belligerent/ it was on Veterans Day I believe. And no my voice was not taken away/ but I was told that I was not welcome after a makeshift non-announced GA was formed one night with Stephanie and Daniel and maybe 6 others/ didn't seem like 30 people to me
and nobody could keep me from a public park but I chose not to hang out of my own free will/ but I do not appreciate that someone who is stealing from us and lying and pushing people away were welcome at GAs while I was not! I do alot for this movement and I don't need the credit but it hurts when people slander you and try and push you away for doing whats right... So my asking to be re-instated is primarily because I am very much a part of Occupy and don't want my name dragged through the mud to other occupiers who might not yet know me!

Oh, if that's the case, then you're not restricted at all. We don't count the affairs of that group legitimate. That meeting was performed without the consent of the GA and without a proper quorum. Heck, you're still a full member with full rights. We don't even need to be discussing it, then, because no one made any formal charges at a legitimate GA.

Okay, I'm going to give this conversation 24 hours and then, if no one proposes any formal charges, I'm going to lock this thread. Stephanie was censured for acting without authority because of that event and that illegitimate meeting and for talking with the press afterward. It's what precipitated this whole mess.

[flamingo]

I think we should give Rion another chance. The GA vote was done quickly in the midst of anger over other people and other actions. Some of the anger over Rion was from other people who are no longer part of the group. I think that if Rion is aware of his actions that angered some people, he has the opportunity for change. Rion did a lot for the OT site and he is the one who brought the money issue up. I personally never had an issue with him.

[Official Occupy Tulsa]

It seems the GA vote took place by the 8 member "quorum" that was declared illegitimate and is therefore invalid. Is there anyone that has evidence that a decision was made by an official 30 person quorum of the Occupy Tulsa General Assembly?

[Edit:] If he acted within his duties as previously understood, and did not bring alcohol on the property, I really don't see a problem.

--C. J. Williams

[scottm]

To Rion: ok.. this clears things up a little. I thought your name was Ryan. You're the same guy who spent night after cold wet night guarding the supplies at solidarity square, but then left after a disagreement about how those supplies were distributed. (very simplified summary)

To Everyone Else: This man has performed much service to the Occupy Tulsa cause. We are weaker without him. To treat him as anything other then a welcome friend is wrong.

Furthermore if we re-examine his actions with the supplies under the last set of rules i know of (from a couple of weeks ago) he was the occupy worker on site at the time . By default that put him in charge of the supplies. As such it was within his purview to distribute them under whatever guidelines may or may not have existed at the time.

If you don't want him in charge of supplies anymore, fine. If he is to not be seen possessing/consuming intoxicants, that's fair too, same rule applies to everyone anyway. (don't tell me people don't get their buzz on, i know better...be glad i didn't take pictures)

-Scott Metzger

[rionwolf]

That is very good to hear. ;D Makes me happy!

[catfromok]

I feel the need to clarify something... there were way more than 6 people at that meeting. I might be wrong, but I thought I was told that my presence brought the number of attendee's to 30 or 31. I am still for giving you a second chance, but there are a few things that are bothering me about this.

First of all, no where in your posts have you apologized for showing up drunk & apparently belligerent. To show up that way for the veteran's parade is extremely disrespectful.

Also, the people that wanted you banned were women who sounded concerned for their safety because some of the homeless people you were bringing to the site seemed dangerous. If you were drunk when you did this, you were not in a position to judge whether these guys were dangerous or not.

[ascent]

8 people (I was speaking of Stephanie's group at the vigil). I didn't remember the Rion issue discussed at the meeting you went to. But then I can't figure out how to get to that footage.

Thank you for clarifying, Cathy. If the decision was indeed discussed and voted upon among the official GA, then the matter stands.

Can someone provide a link to that meeting? (Dec 10th)

[mollysimmons]

On the intoxication issue, I've seen more than one of our most dedicated occupiers rip-roaring drunk on-site. On transients, yes SOME can be dangerous, but they are still human beings. For the rest, what exactly is required for membership in Occupy Tulsa?

[rionwolf]

If you are not a witness nor have accurate knowledge of the situation you should not make assumptions/ I did not show up to the parade drunk / if you must know it was at 1am in the morning on veterans day and hardly anyone was present/ secondly I do not fee the need to appologize , because I did no harm to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rionwolf]

Secondly I did not bring the homeless they were already there!!! just because I talk to them does not make me responsible for their actions!
So do these women feel afraid of me? If so lets get their stories instead of 1 person giving hearsay statements!

[mollysimmons]

I believe the impromptu meeting to which Rion is referring is the Occupation & Logistics meeting which was postponed because everyone was late coming back from OKC. In which case, I asked the few of us who were on-site that night, specifically to discuss and vote on the one issue, for that night only, and the decision was specifically for that night only, and was to be addressed at the next official GA. I made this request based on two things: (1) concern for Rion's safety, and (2) the accusations that had been made against Rion. I was not present when Rion left the group several weeks ago, and quite frankly, I don't know what to believe about the accusations against him, but I do think Rion is a nice guy, with a good heart in the right place. And again, Rion is not the only person I've seen drunk or beligerent on-site.

That being said, I pretty much agree with Scott.

[Official Occupy Tulsa]

Let's keep it civil, rion. No need to go overboard with the exclamations. We're all adults here and we're trying to get to the bottom of the situation. With some patience we'll make it through this. You have full privilege to interact where and how you want in the same way as everyone else. At this time, the supplies aren't even on site, so don't worry too much about it. If we can get you back on site protecting the supplies, I'd like to do that. We just need to follow the consensus of the GA, whatever that was, if it was.

Can you bear with us, please, rion?

Note: As admin, it's my duty to make sure things don't escalate, which requires that I de-escalate at appropriate times. This is such a time. I'm sure rion doesn't view it as an imposition. Again, just doing the job of an admin. No one is in trouble.

--C. J. Williams

[dgibson]

Rion's a true one.