Discussion: Rion Wolf Reinstatement Request

[catfromok]

Rion... I am not going on heresay, but rather your own post:

"I never brought alcohol to the site/ honestly I was there intoxicated before and luckily Sam and Masar took me for a ride so I wasn't belligerent/ it was on Veterans Day I believe."

My point is NO ONE should be out there drunk, high, etc. First of all it IS disrespectful, secondly, what OT doesnt need is for the cops to show up & arrest one of our members for public intoxication.

So far as the transients goes, many are people that are down on thier luck, others do have mental illnesses because our state like most no longer supplies adequate facilities for them to recieve treatment. There are a small percentage of them that are both mentally ill AND dangerous so some common sense needs to be used.

[dgibson]

But people who are transient are part of the movement, right?

I used to live on 6th and Peoria, and I'd walk around downtown after hours. It was common sense to be careful, but not just of transients, who were still going to be there whether I talked to them or not. I was there of my own free will, and they had already been there before I was.

An occupation representing the 99%, just by definition learns to deal with people in the midst of the occupation.

Two of the most dangerous persons to the occupation at Solidarity Square were not transients at all but were by appearances a well-groomed middle class woman who had no qualms at all about slandering other occupiers and a talented, intellectual guy who masterfully manipulated words and ideas to hold power within the group.

The most violent people so far at the occupation had an open invitation to join or, if nothing else, come by for hot coffee-- even though some of their number pepper-sprayed several of the occupiers sitting peacefully in the park one night.

Is Mayor Bartlett one of the one percent? Hasn't he been expressly invited?

If agents of the corportocracy try to infiltrate, they may look like transients--or they may not.

Wouldn't some of the people most victimized by economic injustice have insight into the harsher realities of the workings of the system and of government corruption?

Besides, many homeless people in the area will have practical suggestions on occupying the area, such as, say, where there are open public facilities, or what the regular patrol cops are like. To say nothing of just having ideas that can help our common movement.

[rionwolf]

and again where in this statement you just re-iterated did I say I was at the Parade?!!!!

again/ there are probably more people who aren't homeless who are more dangerous/ and the only rights we have come with the price/ that we do not infringe on others rights/ homeless people have just as much to say as anyone else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of them even went overseas to risk their lives defending these rights!

I thought we were the 99% and that includes the homeless!!!!!!!!! prejudice is a sickness!

if you don't agree that the 99% should be inclusive of all people regardless of SOCIAL ECONOMICAL STATUS, race, gender, disabilities or sexual preference. then I implore you to find a group that better suits your needs/ like the TEA PARTY.... Because I know that the concepts of the OWS movement is not about dividing people but Uniting them under a common cause!

I'm not trying to be rude/ but just think of how any homeless occupiers are feeling if they read this crap! and there are a lot of TRUE occupiers who are homeless/ some by choice and others by misfortune! Whenever I am occupying in TULSA I AM HOMELESS..... By choice for the movement. you know I think Stephanie stole my phone, boots and my crafting supplies to get at me when she was around/ it was a homeless kid Anthony who gave me a brand new pair of shoes! So really I am absolutely fed up with people being prejudice against homeless or transient people! ENOUGH is ENOUGH.........

Might as well spit in my face next time you see me!

[Official Occupy Tulsa]

Rion is right. There is just no excuse for blaming one man for the actions of others, regardless of his level of inebriation.

However, what I learned tonight is that someone was actually stabbed seven times by the homeless man. I don't have opportunity to watch the news regularly, so I missed mention of that particular circumstance on the news.

That said, I don't know the exact circumstances, and by all I can gather, neither does anyone else. Thus, whether Rion invited the guy or not, we can't assume Rion is responsible just by association. If no one has proof that Rion exercised a lack of judgment that had an impact upon the group, then there is no case to be had.

[dgibson]

For the record, this happened December 4, and Rion had left the occupation site over two weeks before that.

The homeless guys (the victim was homeless too) may have been on the streets downtown for years. If anyone thinks that occupiers not talking to them would somehow have avoided the stabbing, I don't buy it.

Isn't the Iron Gate just a couple of blocks from there? No one's saying they're responsible or that they should stop serving the homeless. (Actually, I guess some people are saying that. If you read some of the comments on the news story about the December 4 stabbing, you see such noble sentiments as "Who cares? Bum fight.")

Back in November, I followed a link from the OT Facebook like page to a very positive article about Occupy Tulsa called "The Characteristics of Occupy Tulsa":

selectingstones.com/2011/11/15/the-characteristics-of-occupy-tulsa/


I'm not trying to diss the Occupy Wall Street site, and this article's hostility to OWS (but not the Occupy movement) may be a little suspect; still, it's hard not to be proud of Occupy Tulsa when you read it. Part of its praise is for OT's looking out for the homeless. This is a quote:

"Recently, Occupy Wall Street has quite rightfully received some bad press over its relationship with New York City’s homeless population. Some in Zuccotti Park have grown concerned over the fact that a lot of hungry and cold homeless people have cleverly discovered the free food and blankets to be had at the occupation. These horrible fools have claimed that something needs to be done to prevent the homeless from “stealing” the occupiers’ food and shelter. Is it really possible that the “anti-greed” protesters of Occupy Wall Street would look down on the homeless as “thieves”?!?! Thankfully, these wretches are in the minority of the movement, but the issue nevertheless raises vital questions about the character of Occupy Wall Street. Who are these people? And who are they really looking out for? In contrast, Occupy Tulsa stated last Thursday on its Facebook page that the movement had succeeded in feeding and clothing over 100 of Tulsa’s homeless since it began. Once again, we see a concrete sign that Occupy Tulsa has a better idea of where its priorities really lie than does Occupy Wall Street. And the attitude that, if all else fails, at least Occupy Tulsa was able to help out of few homeless people is truly admirable."

"The men and women at Occupy Tulsa are for real. The group is small, but it is serious...."

As the article says, OT posted on the Facebook page about feeding and clothing "over 100 or Tulsa's homeless." (Ironically, the day after this article came out, the woman who posted about feeding and clothing the homeless dissed Rion at a GA for "giving our sh*t away." (Rion's already explained in an earlier post about his system for issuing blankets to the homeless.))

[thomasg]

Any garden variety fool can accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of others without having done anything constructive to further the cause of "We Are the 99" in a constructive way, and this is what I see going on with the treatment of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf, by the General Assembly of Occupy Tulsa.

I was present on October 1, 2011 at New Block Park for the founding of Occupy Tulsa and from that time forward I have not found anyone more committed to the concept of "We Are the 99" and the Occupy Movement than Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf.

I know what Lawrence Robert Black aka Rion Wolf has been working on, along with myself, David Gibson, Dianne Drennan, and Dustin McGarrah during the time that Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf, has been under attack by the General Assembly of Occupy Tulsa, and that is the creation of the Occupy Heartland Foundation as a light to set a standard for the Occupy Movement that is representative of everyone in the "We Are the 99" Occupy Movement as a whole, basic sublated standards, such as, who we are, and what we want. For the Occupy Heartland Foundation, Rion, together with myself and others as indicated, have established the following standards for who "We Are the 99" are to be that is as follows:

"We Are the 99" are a general assembly of people that is a constitution of government that is equal to the determination of all who are governed by the law and order of the general assembly."

"We Are the 99" and the Occupy Movement want equal determination of all of the classes and cultures of all of the masses of all of the population of the United States to be equal to the constitution of the government of the United States, and to the law and order of the United States."

The above two standards define Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf as a person.

What are the standards of those who accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf?

You should all be ashamed of your collective behavior, and adopt the standards of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf. I know what Rion's standards are and I respect those standards as stated.

I do not know what the standards are of those who accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf, because those standards have not been declared by those who accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf.

What I advocate is that those who accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf, accept Rion's standards as their own, and that if they do so they will no longer be prone to accuse, condemn, denounce, and advocate the censure and punishment of those who have their own best interests at heart in general, and Lawrence Robert Black, aka Rion Wolf, in particular.

[Official Occupy Tulsa]

Okay, I finally found the 12/10 GA meeting video again and went over it. There was indeed a clear vote, but judging by this thread and the lack of participation of anyone involved, even at the meeting, and lack of discussion at that meeting, I think very few people had a clear understanding of what took place. The vote seemed a bit pushed through.

However, since Rion has chosen to separate himself from the occupation, there is no further need to discuss it at this time. I'm locking the thread. If anyone besides Rion has an objection to me locking the thread, please contact me by PM. Rion or anyone else is welcome to discuss this matter in the Common Ground forum in an unofficial way. This matter is considered closed by a participating quorum of the GA in which it was agreed that it is not worth discussing when a person has already separated themselves from the GA.